tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4746495670578531806.post4994571095864885104..comments2011-08-13T10:31:41.623-07:00Comments on Adipo Insights: Is the Fable of Unfettered Fat Burning Derailing Your Low Carb Diet?LynMarie Dayehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08486294119556517760noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4746495670578531806.post-90247538032805743302010-11-14T07:49:10.881-08:002010-11-14T07:49:10.881-08:00Fine by me :)Fine by me :)LynMarie Dayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08486294119556517760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4746495670578531806.post-23604672936389557182010-11-13T21:24:08.610-08:002010-11-13T21:24:08.610-08:00Hello,
I have a question for the webmaster/admi...Hello,<br /> <br /> I have a question for the webmaster/admin here at adipo-insights.blogspot.com.<br /><br />Can I use some of the information from this blog post above if I give a backlink back to this website?<br /><br />Thanks,<br />PeterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4746495670578531806.post-39339779883762410292010-09-28T20:24:01.020-07:002010-09-28T20:24:01.020-07:00I'm sorry! To the person who posted a questio...I'm sorry! To the person who posted a question, I accidentally deleted your post. Please send it again if you wish and I promise to be more careful!LynMarie Dayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08486294119556517760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4746495670578531806.post-56680395170624334942010-02-21T10:09:04.899-08:002010-02-21T10:09:04.899-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.LynMarie Dayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08486294119556517760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4746495670578531806.post-13749372410741079682010-02-20T10:49:25.522-08:002010-02-20T10:49:25.522-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4746495670578531806.post-92057562316376076322010-02-17T15:01:18.835-08:002010-02-17T15:01:18.835-08:00I don't know as much about MCT's as I'...I don't know as much about MCT's as I'd like to, but I believe it's pretty much an accepted fact that they aren't incorporated into chylomicrons like long-chain fatty acids are (therefore no ASP response). They travel directly to the liver from the intestines so they have a greater chance of being used for energy as opposed to being stored in fat cells. In fact, MCT's are sometimes used as a fat source in ketogenic diets for epileptic children because it's believed they cause a higher degree of ketosis than LCT's. This allows the children to have a more liberal diet in terms of protein and carbs yet still stay in ketosis. <br /><br />I've heard of people supplementing their diets with coconut oil (as in eating it by the spoonful) because they believe it has a thermogenic effect. AFAIK, the thermogenic effect has never been shown to be very substantial. I think a better idea would be to <i>replace</i> some of the fat in the diet with coconut oil. MCT's have also been shown to reduce appetite a bit. All in all, I believe coconut oil can aid in weight loss, but it's not a magic bullet. As far as I'm aware, there is nothing preventing medium-chain fatty acids from being incorporated into very low density lipoproteins (VLDL) in the liver if they escape becoming ketones. This gives fat cells a second chance at storing them. If anyone has evidence to the contrary, please let us know.LynMarie Dayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08486294119556517760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4746495670578531806.post-69171900465397962472010-02-12T10:36:26.080-08:002010-02-12T10:36:26.080-08:00does length of triglyceride eatten effect ability ...does length of triglyceride eatten effect ability to store it as claimed by the Coconut oil folk?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4746495670578531806.post-81891935791567373832010-02-02T06:12:16.421-08:002010-02-02T06:12:16.421-08:00Sorry Anonymous it took me so long to post your co...Sorry Anonymous it took me so long to post your comment; I had to travel away from home for work.<br /><br />I read the thread at Jimmy Moore's forum. He commented that he would like to interview an expert on ASP. I'd suggest Dr. Katherine Cianflone. She and her colleagues were the first to discover ASP and she has spent much of her working life studying it. If she would consent to an interview, I have no way of knowing. She is not a diet book author or coach like most of Jimmy's podcast guests and she may not be into translating her work into "laypeople speak" if you know what I mean. But then again, may be she'd love to. You don't know unless you ask. :~)<br /><br />As for contact info - her email address is easy to find, but I don't want to display it on a public blog. I would suggest going to pubmed.gov, putting "cianflone k" into the search area at the top and selecting one of her research papers. Contact info for the authors is usually printed on the first page.LynMarie Dayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08486294119556517760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4746495670578531806.post-12147611802257413342010-01-29T13:49:48.942-08:002010-01-29T13:49:48.942-08:00What an excellent post.
Join our discussion over ...What an excellent post.<br /><br />Join our discussion over on livinlavidalowcarb forum! Your blog posting started it all.<br /><br />Personally, I can't lose weight eating all the full fat cheese, butter and fatty meat that I want. I need to keep the carbs AND calories down.<br /><br />Thanks for a great post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4746495670578531806.post-14205403573047088662010-01-28T11:29:24.902-08:002010-01-28T11:29:24.902-08:00Uh I thought the point of Taubes book was that car...Uh I thought the point of Taubes book was that carbohydrate consumption, and the insulin fat storing mechanisms, are what lead to obesity and serious metabolic and other diseases, not that it simply makes you gain weight. Only people who don't know little about the hormonal regulatory system would insist that insulin is all there is to it. <br /><br />I think ASP is a highly unlikely cause of significant weight gain or weight loss stalling, unless one is very much overeating past the point of satiety AND is exercising too much (both of which stimulate ASP). As such, ASP is unlikely to cause significant weight gain.<br /><br />I am surprised that the thyroid is <br />not mentioned anywhere in here.<br /><br />According to wikipedia:<br /><br />The thyroid controls how quickly the body uses energy, makes proteins, and controls how sensitive the body should be to other hormones.<br /><br /><br />It is easy enough to imagine that a SAD diet coupled with way too many halides ingested over time could lead to deranged thyroid function and therefore poorer weight regulation and even weight gain even without any other significant hypo or hyper thryoid symptoms?Marneehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13581045023000720429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4746495670578531806.post-77856829747746022512010-01-13T13:35:54.583-08:002010-01-13T13:35:54.583-08:00LynMarie.
I linked Taubes' name to the Dartmo...LynMarie.<br /><br />I linked Taubes' name to the Dartmouth lecture. I've watched it more than once but missed the subtle display of glyceroneogenesis.<br /><br />The fattiest natural food that we would eat would probably be salmon heads (if we weren't so fussy!). I gather that Bears eat loads of those to fatten themselves up for hibernation.<br /><br />If we swallow too much fat on its own, it gets ejected by reverse peristalsis. If it fails to be fully absorbed during digestion (Xenical/Alli anyone?), it re-appears at the far end as "the soily oilies". Either way, it's nasty!<br /><br />Nige.Nigel Kinbrumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03368973941328529619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4746495670578531806.post-78342875666700188242010-01-13T13:12:38.013-08:002010-01-13T13:12:38.013-08:00Oops! The lecture with the glyceroneogenesis refe...Oops! The lecture with the glyceroneogenesis reference at 47:25 is - <br /><a href="http://dhslides.org/mgr/mgr060509f/f.htm" rel="nofollow">Dartmouth lecture</a><br /><br />"If someone was to drink just oil or eat just butter, would there be sufficient AAs available to produce sufficient glycerol?"<br /><br />Since oil and butter are basically 100% fat, then no, there would not be sufficient amino acids to produce glycerol via glyceroneogenesis if we only consider the butter or oil itself. Of course, we have amino acids available from muscle tissue that could theoretically be used. Reference # 11 in the blog article discusses the body's willingness during fasting to convert amino acids from muscle into glycogen to replenish muscle glycogen stores depleted by heavy exercise. So the body isn't averse to "wasting" muscle protein if it deems it necessary. However, we as a species very rarely came into contact with food that was 100% fat. Butter and oils are modern foods. Our fat and proteins came packaged together for many, many thousands of years, so I wouldn't be suprised if we don't possess a mechanism to store dietary fat without either protein or carbs. I hope that made sense! :`)LynMarie Dayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08486294119556517760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4746495670578531806.post-45870664343835829452010-01-13T08:21:15.738-08:002010-01-13T08:21:15.738-08:00LynMarie.
I heard glyceroneogenesis mentioned in ...LynMarie.<br /><br />I heard glyceroneogenesis mentioned in the first lecture, but I didn't see it in the 2nd at 47:25. At 1:12:35, I saw "A small quantity (of alpha glycerol phosphate) is made during gluconeogenesis". In the first lecture, the substrate for glyceroneogenesis was said to be Amino Acids (AAs).<br /><br />If someone was to drink just oil or eat just butter, would there be sufficient AAs available to produce sufficient glycerol?<br /><br />Nige.Nigel Kinbrumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03368973941328529619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4746495670578531806.post-37693301606299714762010-01-13T07:44:23.007-08:002010-01-13T07:44:23.007-08:00Nige,
This is the lecture I was referring to: ht...Nige,<br /><br />This is the lecture I was referring to: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4362041487661765149#<br /><br />Glyceroneogenesis is mentioned at 59:30 minutes. <br /><br />Here is another lecture where the word glyceroneogenesis is shown on a slide, but it is not actually mentioned: http://webcast.berkeley.edu/event_details.php?webcastid=21216<br /><br />Look 47:25 minutes into the lecture.LynMarie Dayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08486294119556517760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4746495670578531806.post-42659493347337550112010-01-12T16:30:00.223-08:002010-01-12T16:30:00.223-08:00Hi again LynMarie.
I've Emailed Taubes about ...Hi again LynMarie.<br /><br />I've Emailed Taubes about my theory but I won't hold my breath waiting for a reply!<br /><br />I've also aired my theory on <a href="http://freetheanimal.com/2009/12/dont-you-wish-you-were-as-smart-as-lyle-mcdonald.html" rel="nofollow"><b>Don’t You Wish You Were As Smart as Lyle McDonald?</b></a> and <a href="http://www.paleonu.com/panu-weblog/2009/8/27/can-protein-turn-into-fat.html" rel="nofollow"><b>Can protein turn into fat?</b></a><br /><br />I have one of Taubes' lectures linked in my Blog. Is glyceroneogenesis mentioned in that one or do I have to watch it again? :-/<br /><br />I'm a retired Electronic Engineer so I suspect that people don't think much of my theory on those grounds. Mind you, Richard K Bernstein was also an Engineer and he's done rather well in the field of Diabetes.<br /><br />Nige.<br /><br />P.S. I've enabled Email follow-up, so I'll notice any replies here sooner.Nigel Kinbrumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03368973941328529619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4746495670578531806.post-28654869718578919612010-01-12T13:45:07.013-08:002010-01-12T13:45:07.013-08:00Hi Nige,
I would love to join the fray but there ...Hi Nige,<br /><br />I would love to join the fray but there doesn't appear to be much fraying going on. ;`P<br /><br />It's nice to be able to discuss this topic (that some people have to consciously restrict food intake on a LCHF diet) in a civil manner. After Taubes' book came out, it seems you couldn't do that. Any discussion would degrade into name-calling and such. It's nice to see that that has changed and that differing theories with scientific support are given consideration and not just tossed aside as "it conflicts with Taubes so it can't be true". That kind of thinking is rarely good; you only have to look at current government dietary recommendations to see that (Ancel Keys anyone?)<br /><br />What brought you here is the metabolic pathway glyceroneogenesis. It's a rather unknown pathway although it was elucidated years ago. I did a search on Google books and the only text it was mentioned in was a veterinary book. That was a few years ago so maybe that's changed. I never heard of it until I went looking for it. I put all kinds of search phrases into PubMed and finally struck gold after several days. I felt like I won the lottery! :`P This was before Taubes' book came out. What prompted my search was a posting made by a PhD in Biochemistry on the Protein Power forum. He was explaining why it was essentially impossible to gain body fat while on a LC diet because of the lack of alpha-glycerol phosphate. My personal experience told me this was not true, but his argument seemed solid. After I discovered glyceroneogenesis, I didn't go back to the PP forum to discuss it. Little ole me with my undergrad degree in Biology versus a PhD? I guess I'm a wimp!<br /><br />An interesting note on Taubes: he does know about glyceroneogenesis. He mentions it briefly during a lecture that you can find online. Maybe I'm imagining things, but he seems to do so begrudgingly. I'll try to find that lecture if you're interested.<br /><br />I'm glad you found my article. If you have any comments, questions, or criticisms, fire away. I certainly don't know everything and will not be offended if you find holes in my arguments.LynMarie Dayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08486294119556517760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4746495670578531806.post-77834323128676929002010-01-12T08:21:38.558-08:002010-01-12T08:21:38.558-08:00Hi LynMarie.
Someone's just referred me to thi...Hi LynMarie.<br />Someone's just referred me to this post. Would you like to "join the fray" at <a href="http://nigeepoo.blogspot.com/2010/01/i-have-theory.html" rel="nofollow"><b>I have a theory</b></a>?<br />Nige.Nigel Kinbrumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03368973941328529619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4746495670578531806.post-75034166879120749272009-11-23T14:53:00.813-08:002009-11-23T14:53:00.813-08:00Hi OYB! I keep thinking that I need to revise tha...Hi OYB! I keep thinking that I need to revise that blog post to make it more understandable but the subject matter is rather complicated and if reading it twice is necessary for it to be understood, then maybe that's just the way it has to be ;`).<br /><br />I do plan on writing more. My next post will probably be about dieting beliefs becoming like religious beliefs. My thoughts are inspired by your recent posts and by a small passage I read recently in the book "Rethinking Thin" by Gina Kolata. It will undoubtedly be shorter than my previous post and without scientific references<br />because it's just some thoughts I have on the matter. I'm going on vacation soon, so it will probably have to wait for a bit. <br /><br />Thanks for stopping by and keep up the good work!LynMarie Dayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08486294119556517760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4746495670578531806.post-14225024836201999812009-11-19T11:35:08.630-08:002009-11-19T11:35:08.630-08:00Just stopped by to say thanks for commenting on my...Just stopped by to say thanks for commenting on my blog. Great post here - I'm going to have to read it again to make sure I understood it. Thanks for including detailed references! I hope you decide to write more!OhYeahBabehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18233544200400642335noreply@blogger.com